Electrifier

[Alter Fritz]

I'm not saying to nerf the Heal spell, I'm saying get rid of the items that keep causing the abuse(ring of heals or harp or whatever is causing this).

UMD is in the game for a reason. Use that skill if you want heals without a Healer class.

Both of these items have effectively been removed, so that problem has been dealt with.

Which is why I find it odd that people keep returning to the argument of Healing magic items. They’re pretty much all gone now, so there’s not much else to say about them, lol.

But! You’re on a similar track to my point about Magic items that cast fixed magnitude spells. The root of the issue is not an Electrifier that can be used to charge fixed-magnitude-spell items (let’s call them FMS items for short); it’s that FMS items exist to begin with.

Rather than removing these types of items though, driller seems to be looking at changing how certain FMS items work in conjunction with the Electrifier (e.g the Res Rod requiring the spell Resurrection to be memorised before recharging the item, restricting that duty to Clerics with UMD), which I think is a much more positive approach!

Agreed.

[TedRo]

As long as items exist that can be bought with gold that do the same thing (greater restoration scrolls, resurrection scrolls/rods, etc) then nerfing the electrifier will strictly be a quality of life nerf. From what I've seen of end game, healers are basically just quality of life improvements for groups.

I would remove these items/scrolls entirely before deciding the issue was with the electrifier.

[Yunim]

In light of the nerf will there be any changes to wand crafting? For example, setting all crafted wands to 50 charges?

If not, I guess that pure 40 crafters are the way to go now.

[driller]

Currently, the Electrifier should be working as it did by default. The only difference for now, is it will require the appropriate Cleric levels to charge heal and resurrection items.

[Sorcy Sid]

Does that mean the Nine Lives Ring will now do full heals?

Currently, the Electrifier should be working as it did by default. The only difference for now, is it will require the appropriate Cleric levels to charge heal and resurrection items.

[driller]

Nope.

Does that mean the Nine Lives Ring will now do full heals?

Currently, the Electrifier should be working as it did by default. The only difference for now, is it will require the appropriate Cleric levels to charge heal and resurrection items.

[Cornflower]

Currently, the Electrifier should be working as it did by default. The only difference for now, is it will require the appropriate Cleric levels to charge heal and resurrection items.

Err.... A pure cleric can't use the electrifier. Unless you update the limitations on it, of course.

[Roland Deschain]

Currently, the Electrifier should be working as it did by default. The only difference for now, is it will require the appropriate Cleric levels to charge heal and resurrection items.

Err.... A pure cleric can't use the electrifier. Unless you update the limitations on it, of course.

Why would it need to be a pure cleric? Just someone with "appropriate cleric levels" is what was said. So if you can cast heal and resurrection you can recharge the items.

[The Flying Rodent]

Currently, the Electrifier should be working as it did by default. The only difference for now, is it will require the appropriate Cleric levels to charge heal and resurrection items.

Err.... A pure cleric can't use the electrifier. Unless you update the limitations on it, of course.

Correct. At present, one would need to be a Cleric with the appropriate levels to cast the spell, and then either a Wizard, Sorcerer or UMD class [Bard, Rogue, Assassin] to use the Electrifier.

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So something like this build could make use of the Electrifier in this way. But you're right, a pure level 40 cleric would not be able to.

[Cornflower]

Currently, the Electrifier should be working as it did by default. The only difference for now, is it will require the appropriate Cleric levels to charge heal and resurrection items.

Err.... A pure cleric can't use the electrifier. Unless you update the limitations on it, of course.

Why would it need to be a pure cleric? Just someone with "appropriate cleric levels" is what was said. So if you can cast heal and resurrection you can recharge the items.

Well... My logic is that if driller really wants to see more clerics (which is one of the reasons for the latest nerfings) and he thinks it should be a requirement that you have cleric levels in order to charge cleric-spell-related wands/items, then it seems highly illogical that if you have too many (=all) cleric levels, you're unable to use the item? That's just not making sense. I think it's a case of "darn, didn't think of that".

I'm not saying you have to be a full cleric to be able use the item, I'm just saying that it would be strange if a half-cleric could use it but not a full-cleric, since it's a cleric-related spell.

It would be more logical if a full cleric could charge a rod of rez to a higher degree than a half-cleric. Now it's the other way around.

[TedRo]

My own opinion: This doesn't make me feel more useful as a Cleric. It leaves a bitter taste that now I'm just the vendor for the items that soft-invalidate my class :/

Currently, the Electrifier should be working as it did by default. The only difference for now, is it will require the appropriate Cleric levels to charge heal and resurrection items.

[Kane0]

Well said.

Idea: if crafting potions are capped at level 3 or lower spells and wands 4th level or lower, perhaps make the highest level spells available via item 5th or 6th? That leaves the highest level spells purely for the actual casters, and we can work on making those spells truly worthwhile.

[driller]

You're right. I have never used the Electrifier. So I didn't think of the umd requirements. I will just remove it's ability to charge those type of items.

Let me clarify, when I say items, I mean specifically Heal and Resurrection charging.

That's just not making sense. I think it's a case of "darn, didn't think of that".

[Kalaron]

Just a remind, if you going to remove the restriction and everyone could use the famous electrifier, please make sure you HAVE the ability to cast the spell you are recharging (cleric for cleric spell and mage for mages spell). Apply the same logic for all caster user.

cya

[Alter Fritz]

Well said.

Idea: if crafting potions are capped at level 3 or lower spells and wands 4th level or lower, perhaps make the highest level spells available via item 5th or 6th? That leaves the highest level spells purely for the actual casters, and we can work on making those spells truly worthwhile.

I agree!