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Cornflower wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:04 am I know from my own experience how hard it is to balance a PW, but still, a suggestion:
I was thinking of making myself a new magic-user toon and was looking around for inspiration. I found a very serious lack of Pale Masters, which I personally think is kind of a cool class. I found that they have bludgeoning and divine damage vulnerability since they are somewhat undead, which is logical in some way. The thing is that the upsides of being a Pale Master are almost non-existant on BSK. The undead summonings are more or less useless, the touch ability is useless due to all the high saves on the bosses and mobs (especially on higher levels).

I think these vulnerabilities may be the reason why I almost never see any Pale Masters in game, especially not on raids or other high-level areas.

Perhaps we could remove those vulnerabilities for a while, to see if it unbalances stuff too much? The assassins and barbarians got a revival when they got some new features, so it could be worth a try?

It's more fun when there are more viable builds than the usual handful that Yunim and the others have posted.

driller wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:47 am In regards to the touch attack, saves have already been lowered across the board for all mobs.

I will see about tweaking the Summon Greater Undead script, maybe changing it so the Palemaster can summon something similar to the Wizards'
Forge Golem, not as powerful of course and they would be mutually exclusive. But, the Palemaster could forge unique items that would boost the level of the summon to be equivalent to a Wizard's Forged Golem.

I have adjusted the vulnerability to 25% and 10% respectively.

Cornflower wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:04 am I know from my own experience how hard it is to balance a PW, but still, a suggestion:
I was thinking of making myself a new magic-user toon and was looking around for inspiration. I found a very serious lack of Pale Masters, which I personally think is kind of a cool class. I found that they have bludgeoning and divine damage vulnerability since they are somewhat undead, which is logical in some way. The thing is that the upsides of being a Pale Master are almost non-existant on BSK. The undead summonings are more or less useless, the touch ability is useless due to all the high saves on the bosses and mobs (especially on higher levels).

I think these vulnerabilities may be the reason why I almost never see any Pale Masters in game, especially not on raids or other high-level areas.

Perhaps we could remove those vulnerabilities for a while, to see if it unbalances stuff too much? The assassins and barbarians got a revival when they got some new features, so it could be worth a try?

It's more fun when there are more viable builds than the usual handful that Yunim and the others have posted.

driller wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:04 pm I would just change Summon Greater Undead to summon a Golem that levels with the player and can be boosted by crafting specific unique items that only work for Palemasters.

Garrett wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:31 am

driller wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:04 pm I would just change Summon Greater Undead to summon a Golem that levels with the player and can be boosted by crafting specific unique items that only work for Palemasters.

Why not a larger shadow fiend but equally strong as golem. Having two Golems in party would make things a bit confusing with space occupation. Also dear driller lich king rapier aint working

driller wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:38 am It would be a bone golem. It works, I just need to comment out the part where it says if(Garrett) then FAIL.

Cornflower wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:47 am

driller wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:38 am It would be a bone golem. It works, I just need to comment out the part where it says if(Garrett) then FAIL.

*laughing hysterically*

So, any hints on the limitations or required items/levels? I was thinking of making myself a Pale Master and was wondering if there were things I needed to take into consideration before designing the build. Or, should I just be patient?

driller wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:15 pm It would be along the lines of a unique drop(that would not be to hard to find) plus some stones added to it in the forge.

The power will be determined by caster level, so your build would need to be spell caster based to get the most out of it.

• Bard 39 / Pale Master 1 = Really powerful Bone Golem
  Sorcerer 10 / Pale Master 30 = Totally worthless Bone Golem

• Bard 39 / Pale Master 1 = Really powerful Bone Golem
  Sorcerer 10 / Pale Master 30 = Really powerful Bone Golem

• Bard 39 / Pale Master 1 = Totally worthless Bone Golem
  Sorcerer 10 / Pale Master 30 = Really powerful Bone Golem