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we experience many issues when we are doing booses with the celestial help.

can it be a way that we can cancel the celestial help?

Can you not right click and remove from party?

Calesimundrel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:51 pm we experience many issues when we are doing booses with the celestial help.

can it be a way that we can cancel the celestial help?

It’s the act of summoning that causes the issue

Vor summoner is very useful for beginners.

Later, when character grew, Celestial is still useful for people who soloing, but became serious issue in case of raid. His intervention breaking classic scheme of fight.

Maybe, it is possible to create deity like Vor, but without summoner. Yet another way is to allow people to choose Aon without re-leveling.

PS: IMHO, it could be compromise solution, if Vor could grant their followers familiar

When the AI script “OnPerception” fires. The AI will recalculate who to target, so every time a mob sees a new target it will pick a new target. So if you have multiple people with Vor it makes it almost imposible to tank.

Catopillar wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:38 pmSo if you have multiple people with Vor it makes it almost imposible to tank.

Yes, it is main reason of discussion, but more important to understand what to do.

As for me, yet another strong warrior in party is very useful, in specially for low level characters or small teams.

So, I see two criterias - level of character and quantity members in his team.

1. Character can lost chance to receive Celestial Warrior in case if he is adult, means level 35+.

2. Quantity members in party is big (5+). It means, party is enough strong and Vor don't need care about his followers very much to send Celestial Warrior for help.

yeah i assume the best action to take is that you dont get celestial help if you are on a party of more than 4 or 5 players...that would be more easy that a toogle switch, and solo players would still benefit from celestial Vor.

I do like the party size idea. We like bringing new players along with our raids, and we don't want to have to ask people to change deity.

You can get away with it on some of the easier raids, but not on anything challenging.

Catopillar wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:27 pm I do like the party size idea.

As for me, the idea to disable Celestial Warrior for big party is good compromise. How much new, low level players can be gathered for their own raid? I do not think, it will be more as 5. How much people need for Balfar, Witch, etc? I think, 10+. To be sure let's limit will be not 5, but 8 members.

So, as for me, idea to manage Celestial Warrior by party size should work and, I hope, it's realization should not be very complicated. There is only question about how many party members...

There yet another reason to disable Celestial Warrior for big party - A large number of participants in team creates a large load on the server.

I went the other way. The level 40 summons are now very powerful. But, they only last a limited time.

driller wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:47 am I went the other way. The level 40 summons are now very powerful. But, they only last a limited time.

i think its the opposite of what we recommend it.

Have you seen them in action?

Calesimundrel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:51 pm

driller wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:47 am I went the other way. The level 40 summons are now very powerful. But, they only last a limited time.

i think its the opposite of what we recommend it.

Yeah they just got shalnath to heal lol

driller wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:38 pm Have you seen them in action?

Calesimundrel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:51 pm

driller wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:47 am I went the other way. The level 40 summons are now very powerful. But, they only last a limited time.

i think its the opposite of what we recommend it.

yes i saw them, they just screw us hard shalnath on 3 bars left, and we cant unsummon